Naji Gehchan: Welcome to SpreadLove in Organizations, the healthcare leadership podcast where we explore leadership with purpose.
This is a special episode, the second of a series in partnership with Biosciences Lebanese International Network – BioLink.
I’m Naji your host, joined today by Rania Abou Samra Vice President and Head of Innovation and Research & Development at Nestlé Middle East and North Africa. With over 20 years of experience in Nutrition and R&D, Rania has a strong technical and scientific background that drives innovation forward. Prior to her current role, she assumed the position of Global Head of Product & Technology Development for Nestlé Health Science, following her tenure as Vice President of Research and Development at the Vital Proteins business. Rania’s professional journey includes her previous roles as Global Director of Science and Technology at Nestlé Health Science and Global R&D Lead for Consumer Care. Across various Nestlé research centers, she has lent her expertise to diverse sectors as well as her entrepreneurial spirit, translating scientific and technical insights into breakthrough innovations for both patients and consumers.
She earned both her Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees in Nutrition and Dietetics from the American University of Beirut, followed by a PhD in Obesity and Nutrition from the University of Toronto.
Rania aligns her mission with her passion to advance nutrition and positively impact lives through science. Her unwavering commitment to making the benefits of nutrition accessible to all remains a driving force in her personal and professional pursuits.
Great to have you Rania!
Rania Abou Samra: Thank you. Thank you for hosting me, uh, Naji. I’m really excited to be on your amazing podcast and looking forward to a wonderful discussion.
Naji Gehchan: Uh, great. I’d love first, uh, to hear more about your personal story, what’s behind the story of who you are today?
Rania Abou Samra: Uh, sure. Happy to share. So my story started in, in Lebanon. Um, I am, uh, I’m originally Lebanese like you, uh, and, uh, I, uh, I grew up in a, in a small town in, uh, in a little bit north of Lebanon. And, uh, ever since I was a kid, I was really fascinated by everything, biology and chemistry. And, um, I do recall, um, when I decided early on in my life that I wanted to study nutrition, which is, uh, a passion of mine and still remains a passion of mine.
It was really with this, with this, uh, very, uh, noble, um, goal is to help, you know, uh, fight malnutrition in the world. Um, started off that way. I did my studies in nutrition and at some point I started going into research and um, and I discovered that actually malnutrition is not the only problem that the world is suffering from it’s obesity and diabetes.
So that led me to doing a PhD on appetite regulation, studying gut hormones, uh, and uh, one of them was GLP one. And looking at its effect on, on weight loss, um, in obese, uh, and diabetic, uh, populations. Um, after that I was actually adamant that I’m gonna go into an academic career and then all of a sudden I had the, one of the biggest food companies, food and beverage companies in the world reach out to me and say, would you like to come work for us?
I hesitated a little bit. I remember my supervisor telling me, you know what, you can always come back, go try it out for a couple of years, and you can always come back to academia. Here we are 20 years later, still working at Nestle, uh, and did not regret it, not once. Um, moving around at Nestle. Different roles, always in innovation and r and d, um, and uh, going into different categories.
Loving the reach that Nestle has and the capabilities to be able to innovate. Um, and the fact that they do sponsor a lot of research, um, is, is, is such a, makes it such an exciting company. And, uh, and as well the fact that you, you get to really go around geographically and, you know, um, experience the different cultures around the world because you, because of the, of the breadth of the company.
Naji Gehchan: Thanks Ranya for sharing. I, I, I love this mission. You said you started because you wanted to fight malnutrition in the worked. So if I, if I go there, how do you make sure these days you connect through your mission, your purpose, your leadership, uh, with, with your teams to ensure that actually in your daily work, this is happening?
Rania Abou Samra: Yeah, absolutely. I, I, I’m still a nutritionist at heart, uh, and I, I never forget this, uh, what in everything I do. So whenever, whenever we’re looking at innovation and regardless of any category, um, nutrition is always the first question I ask. Um, and, and it all depends on who we are catering to, but in certain areas of the world, actually, we do make a, we, we are able to make an impact because, um, first of all, um, the, the reach.
That, that a company like Nestle and its products has, um, if you do make a fortification on a product in a certain market where there are major nutritional deficiencies, um, and you know for a fact that your product is consumed by, let’s say, 90% of the population, then you know that you’re creating, you know, an impact through that amazing reach.
Um, you know, I and I, and I think that I consider myself very lucky because I’m able to actually see that impact through the work that I do. But making sure that I put nutrition first and insisting that, you know, uh, ev all the innovations that we do should be nutrition and science-based.
Naji Gehchan: So this connection, I, I love it.
You know, like, and you’ve been able to connect obviously your, your deep science expertise on nutrition and then improving people’s lives. And several times we think about, and, you know, several of the. Uh, the guests I host are really focused on medicines, on, uh, on bio technologies. Uh, you know, when you talk about nutrition, we don’t immediately potentially connect it with, you know, proving labs, which is very wrong actually, because you, you do it and it’s, it’s the startup, all of it.
Yeah. So how do you make sure that actually science and this improvement of your life of are always connected and truly reaches, uh, and transform, uh, lives in meaningful ways?
Rania Abou Samra: I think, I think at the end of the day, um, what we’re doing is, to your point, we’re not, we’re not in the business of doing drugs.
Uh, so we’re not basically trying to heal, uh, or, or trying to recover from a disease. What we focus on is prevention. How are we able to prevent that someone goes into a situation where they need the drugs? Right. Um, and, and by focusing on the deficiencies and, and, you know, deficiencies do not have to always only be with populations that are malnourished, right?
So you have people that are, are obese, overweight, but they do have significant, uh, micronutrient deficiencies because the quality of their diet is very, very poor. Right. So at the end of the day, by knowing your consumer, but also knowing what are the gaps that consumer has, um, then, you know, whatever innovation you do is not only gonna taste good because I know we are in the business of making confectionery and, and, and coffee and, and we’re, we’re pleasurable experiences to consumers.
But also, how can I. Get to that sweet spot where I’m not only making them, you know, enjoy what they’re consuming, but it’s also making them feel better in terms of avoiding them to have to get to a situation where, you know, they get to a deficient, uh, state. Um, so, so it’s always. Tricky because, you know, sometimes in certain categories you’re not gonna be able to fortify, let’s say a bar, a confectionary bar.
But you can always, uh, work on talking about what is the appropriate portion size, you know, how much, what is, what is basically eating, uh, uh, enjoying it, but, but being, being mindful of how much you’re eating so that you’re not creating excessive calories. Um, and also with that, coming with other products.
That would contribute to that, you know, pleasurable experience. So it’s not just about, you know, confectionary, it’s also about are you, are you drinking, um, a, a beverage that has enough protein for you? What other functional ingredients can you put in there to help you make you feel better? Um, and, and, uh, and then you combine the two together, make sure that they taste good so that people can, you know, enjoy it at the same time.
Naji Gehchan: So I, I have to ask you this question. You’ve done a PhD in obesity, uh, and nutrition. It’s the era of, you know, GLP ones and, and all the, all the change around it. And you’re, you talked about, which I truly believe in, is all this preventative. Care and preventive medicine, uh, and starts with kids. Um, and then like there’s all those discussions these days about protein based, uh, diets.
Yeah. Uh, there’s, uh, all, finally we’re talking about the ultra processed food and the mega ultra processed food like I I any like generalistic thoughts about all this era we’re moving towards, especially if you think like, what’s, what’s next for, uh, for us as a humans in this field?
Rania Abou Samra: Yeah, I mean, I think, I think you cannot, um, escape mentioning, you know, the GLP one analogs when you talk about obesity these days.
Right. The two topics come together and, uh, I, I think, I think the, the GLP one analogs are a great solution to help people that have morbidities and comorbidities, right? So, so it is a way to, to, to prolong, you know, the, the, the health span. Um, however. No, no drug comes without side effects. Maybe I’m overgeneralizing, but you know, even when you combine the, what, the current solution, which is a really good solution, the side effects are quite strong, meaning you have, uh, a huge, uh, loss of muscle.
Uh, you tend to also, um, have, uh, uh, side effects on your skin, your hair, your nails. Uh, you have GI side effects. You’re dehydrated because people spend a long time not consuming anything. So, so from that perspective, I think where we as a food company could come in and help is by providing solutions to accompany the people who will be taking the GLP one analogs.
Because the, it, it, it’s hard to escape it. You know, I, I was a dietician for a while. I was seeing patients who were obese and, and I can tell you, they were always asking me about, is there a magic bullet? Is there a pill? Is there something I can just take? Because I really don’t want to be on a diet for a long time.
So, you know, from a behavioral perspective, you know, we’re, we’re just lazy. You know, we don’t want to make an effort and think about everything we eat because food gives us pleasure. So the minute food becomes un, you know, a source of, of anxiety, then it’s an issue. Right? So, so I, I, I do believe that, you know, we need to combine the reality of the fact that these GLP one analogs are gonna be available.
They’re gonna be cheaper and everybody’s gonna take them. But we as nutritionists as a food company, we have actually a responsibility to make sure that we provide products to make sure these people are losing weight, but losing weight safely. And they are not losing on their health while they’re losing the weight.
So, so, so that’s basically it. I mean, I, I know that wasn’t probably the answer you’re expecting ’cause you’re, but, but to be honest. This is, I mean, I, I’m in a, I’m in a region right now where everybody is taking GLP one analog and it’s available, easily accessible to everyone. So we need to make, basically face the three reality and say, how can we play a role there?
Naji Gehchan: Yeah. And it’s, uh, I, I love how you’re framing it, you know, sometimes, and there’s more and more research, uh, as you said about. Um, you know, obesity as itself linked to sometimes like it’s a disease, right? Like, and more and more we’re seeing like how, uh, how we can, um, how we can help, uh, patients and yeah, it feels like there is a before and after.
Yeah. Those drugs and obesity is by itself linked to many risk factor. Like, you know, like it’s a risk factor to many diseases. So, so it’s great to hear like how you’re thinking about how to combine through innovation. And help patients who are on GLP ones. ’cause Yeah, I feel. Yeah, we can’t escape it anymore for, for some parts of the regions.
No. Uh, if I pivot now to, um, your leadership, uh, through, um, through, through all your career, you’ve done it in different roles, in different parts of the world. You’re in Switzerland, you, us now you’re in, uh, leading Middle East and we’re talking, you’re in Dubai. Um, and, and you come from Lebanon. You started with that, like coming from, um, from the north part of, uh, this small country.
Uh, how did all this kind of shape your leadership style and how you lead today?
Rania Abou Samra: Um. I tell you, it’s not easy, you know, it’s not easy for a Lebanese girl, um, to, to, you know, coming from a culture that you’re probably familiar with where, um, and we were talking about that earlier, it’s all very emotional.
You’re, everybody expresses themselves very openly and then you get sometimes into cultures where. You should not express your feelings that it’s frowned upon if you are venting. Um, so you, you tend to start working on yourself to adapt and become, not necessarily not who you are, but, but, but really make sure that you’re mindful of the people around you.
Um, so, so in a way, you know, I try to remain true to who I am. The Lebanese person who can express themselves and, and, and show emotions, not, not. Not shy away from that, but you know, in a way like, like make sure they’re framed. There’s an occasion for it. So, so, you know, I, I speak about specifically emotions because that’s, that’s a very Lebanese thing.
And, um, and I mean, we have, we have a lot of, um, amazing attributes culture wise, where, you know, we’re very good negotiators, we’re extremely resilient. Um, and, and we, we tend, we tend to not give up easily. Right. Um, and I guess it’s because of, of, you know, first of all, living through different wars, uh, being able to manage.
Chaos, chaos, not getting lost easily. Because, because, uh, you know, we, we did not grow up in a place where everything was clearly, uh, signaled, outlined, and you knew how to find your way. So these are like amazing positive attributes that you can bring in on the table, but at the same time, you kind of have to manage the whole expressing yourself too much emotional, et cetera, to, to adapt to certain cultures.
So it’s kind of a balancing act. And at the same time, opening up to learning from these cultures. A lot of things, learning how to be on time. And this is not something that, you know, our culture is, is known for, you know, um, that, that delivering on, on the promise and not overpromising when, and not able, being able to deliver, uh, being very organized.
Um, and so and so, and. Planning for the future. Uh, you know, I, I may, I might be probably over stereotyping here and, and Naji, please correct me if I’m wrong, but you know, you know, coming from a culture where you, you grow up where you don’t know if you’re gonna live, uh, next month or next year because of you’re in a situation in a war or economic situation is so volatile.
People tend to want to live day by day. Um, not plan too much for the distant future. You know, that’s, that’s always a good learning for me. That actually, no, you know, it’s better if you, if you do plan for the future and it, it makes you a better person and less anxious. Um, so, so, you know, lots of great learning going through, but I can tell you, um, you know, it, it, it all depends on how adaptable you are.
Um, you know, uh, you, it doesn’t mean you have to lose your identity completely. As a Lebanese, you can always keep that identity. You can always take it out when, when the time is, is right, when you’re either surrounded with Lebanese or you feel like it’s a safe space, but you know, you have to adapt to other cultures because at the end of the day, what’s the use of leaving Lebanon?
Traveling around the world, if you don’t learn anything and you hold onto the Lebanese culture and say, that’s it, that’s the only way, and that’s who I am. So right now, if you ask me, Rana, are you Lebanese? I tell you, I don’t know if I’m Lebanese anymore. Uh, but I’m not necessarily Swiss or American. So I’m, I would say I’m just this global citizen that is, has pieces of Switzerland, pieces of the US that I learned along the way.
And then, yes, my DNA is Lebanese. I actually ha sh. Even prove that through 23 and me testing.
Naji Gehchan: I love it. I, I obviously relate to so many different things you said, you know, I always, uh, even remember my dad always saying, you know, every day is a bonus, you know, to what, what you’re saying, like, planning for tomorrow.
Uh, and sometimes you go the opposite way. Actually, my reaction was like, oh, I need to be organized. I need to exactly what you said and you learn doing it. But certainly, uh, you know, now I, I feel like not Lebanese planning my weekends and what I want to do over the next three months. So there is some downsides.
I think all my Lebanese friends are, think we are now crazy.
Um, yeah. Another part you talked about trying, in the very beginning of your sentence, you said a little girl from Lebanon. You’ve been also remarkably leading. Um, not only senior executive positions, but also a path in science, which is also, I know, and not only Lebanon, across the world actually, we still see all those, uh, unfortunate, uh, biases, right?
Where women in leadership is still not where it needs to be. Uh, and women in stem, uh, are still not where it needs to be. You know, even if there is some advances, sometimes we feel we go forward. Then 10 steps backwards. So, uh, what is, who aspire? Like how, how, how, what would you say? To girls, women, I’m biased.
I have two daughters, uh, you know, looking into the future and, and those young women, especially in stem, who aspire to lead with both excellence and heart.
Rania Abou Samra: I think, um, I think the bias, unfortunately, NJI starts from kindergarten. You know, I, I, um, I remember, you know, um, my, I have, I have a niece, she’s, uh, two years old, and, um, you know, and she was still not exposed to kindergarten or any, any of that, you know, I remember I, I wanted to get her a gift and my brother tells me, you know, she loves cars.
Soccer balls. I’m like, oh my God, this is amazing. So I get her horse ball and cars and you know, I’m very excited, you know, and then the minute she starts kindergarten, she comes back, she wants to wear pink, she wants to carry a bag, she wants to put nail polish. And my brother’s like, what happened? I mean, I mean the, the nothing against pink and nail polish, but, but I do believe that society has a big role to play on in terms of, um, brainwashing young women at a very young age.
Into what they, they are to become. And, and I’ll, I’ll get to the stem in one minute, but honestly this is my personal observation. When I go to buy a gift for a little girl, there’s the girl section in the toy store, and I’m sure Naji, you’ve lived it with two girls. Yeah. I mean, you have ironing boards, baby vacuum cleaners, strollers with dolls.
It you, you, it’s very hard to find stem toys. Yeah. In the play, in the, in the girls. Section. All right. Yeah, no, but why, so my question is why, you know, who, how is it that we are programming these little girls from like kindergarten with the toys they receive on their birthdays? Even if we as parents say, no, I want them to be gender neutral on this, and I don’t want any brainwashing, and I’m gonna only give them puzzles and stem toys and rockets to build.
But, but you know, the minute they get to school, the minute they’re hanging out, it’s society that is impacting and that’s very sad. You know what I mean? Yeah. I can tell you when I was growing up. In school, we had, um, I was, I was in a, in, there was, in our school, there was the math section, the experimental science section, and the literary section.
Um, that’s, that’s basically a little bit French, uh, school system, the way, what we have in Lebanon. So I, I actually went to the experimental sciences because I, my passion was biology and chemistry since I was a girl and we were three girls out of a class of 25. The math section had zero girls.
Naji Gehchan: Yeah.
Rania Abou Samra: And then all the girls went to literary and you were considered like the, the exception, um, to, to the rule.
You know what I mean? Like Yeah. You know, it’s so, so you have to have so much resilience to be in a class where all the boys are around you and you’re only three girls. It takes a lot. So, so I’m not trying to say, oh my God, I had a lot. I’m saying how hard is it if you are an introverted girl, a shy girl?
To survive and then eventually, because you’re in this experimental path, end up going into STEM in university. Right. Um. It’s very hard. So, so, you know, you, you, you kind of have to do an extra fight and you kind of have to build your seminal, um, to resist to it. And, um, you know, I mean, I ended up being the president of the class and, um, it was a funny ongoing joke that, that Rania is a, is not, is really a boy, not a girl, but when Oh wow.
Naji Gehchan: You know.
Rania Abou Samra: Um, but, but, but, but it’s, it’s just, it takes a lot of grits, likes a lot of gut to survive in these environments. Right. Um, and then when we went to university. It was a little bit more balanced, but in nutrition, um, every, there were all girls and like two boys, so it was, it felt good actually to have the imbalance.
But you know, like nursing, these are two disciplines where girls are more than boys, but it’s still in stem. And I thought that was, that was really nice. Um, after the, afterwards I went to do my dietetic internship at the hospital and I was, uh, a dietician there and I remember, um, crossing path with the, with the surgery fellows, and there were around 10.
Men, uh, studying surgery. And there was one girl and, uh, they, the joke was that she was, uh, actually a boy, not a girl, because how could she survive doing surgery as a fellow, being a girl? Apparently it’s not a girl’s thing. Hmm. But you know, I mean, all this is a little bit of a psychological, uh, brainwash, you know what I mean?
Yeah. And unless you’re extremely stubborn and you really know what you want, if you’re having any self-doubt, you’ll drop off. That line. You know what I mean?
Naji Gehchan: Yeah. Um, and, and unfortunately it’s, it’s still here. Like I’ve experienced it.
Yep.
All of it with my young daughter still now, you know, like even clothing, like I went and had a.
Yeah. Big
argument with this story because like all their closeting is they, they, I couldn’t find anything in the girl’s section with astronauts. And my girl like was, you know, like my daughter was like four years and this is what she wanted. They’re like, no, it’s only four boys. It’s like, what? What? Yeah.
Ands the same, like, she went to a robotics summer camp. She was the only girl, you know, so it’s unfortunately, uh, it’s so true. Yeah. It’s hard even today for, for them and hard for us as parents to ensure that they’re not, you know, the society doesn’t shape them in ways that Exactly. They shouldn’t be shaped.
Rania Abou Samra: Yeah. I mean, I think in keeping to encourage them, but also making sure that they have mentors outside, like role models, you know what I mean? That they could look up and say, you know what? You can do it. You can do it. You know, just, just because you’re the only girl. Yeah.
Naji Gehchan: Yeah. Don’t
Rania Abou Samra: worry about it. You can
Naji Gehchan: do it.
Uh, they, they will, they will listen to this episode right now. Oh my God.
Rania Abou Samra: I’d love to talk to them. I’d love to, for sure. For sure, for sure.
Naji Gehchan: Great. Well, uh, I, I’m gonna now give you a word and I would love your first reaction to it. The first one is leadership.
Rania Abou Samra: So my first reaction, what comes to my mind when I, when you say leadership? Okay. For me, leadership, leadership is about, um, resilience is about, um, a group and team basically empowering your team to get to where you wanna go. Um, leadership is about fairness. It’s about, um, making sure, um, you know, you’re, you’re not putting yourself before others.
Um, leadership is about remaining humble and continuing to learn, um, and always being open to learn and admitting that you’ve made a mistake and, and being okay, um, with it. Um. Yeah. Leadership is showing walking the talk, basically being the example, being the role model and showing things the way they are being transparent.
Naji Gehchan: What about innovation?
Rania Abou Samra: Oh, innovation, agility. Being fast, failing fast. You know, for me, innovation and failing fast go hand in hand because I can tell you, and I’ve had a loss of experiences, there’s no glory in innovation without many, many failures behind it. So if, if you wanna do any innovation, you gotta be very ready to prepare to fail many, many times before getting there.
If you’re lucky, you might get there the first time, but you haven’t learned anything and it I, for me, it’s a lucky strike. Which, which makes the second innovation, you need to do a tough one because you didn’t learn. Um, but honestly, uh, these days, um, if you wanna, if you wanna innovate properly, uh, first you have to know your consumer, your patient, but, but also you have to be very agile.
But you have to be ready to launch things that are at 60% and then iterate and not seek perfection. Um, basically perfection is the enemy of innovation.
Naji Gehchan: What about Biolink?
Rania Abou Samra: Biolink is a breath of fresh air. Najee Biolink for me, came at the right time, you know, um, I was, I was in New Jersey, I was working, um, at Nestle Health Science, and I was starting to have these, I was, uh, you know, as you were discussing existentialist questions about why, what am I doing to pay back?
To my country. I left, I was 24. I continued my studies abroad. I worked abroad. But besides going back on vacation and helping family and friends, what have I done? To advance my country. And, uh, and honestly, the, when, when I remember when Francois reached out to me to join Biolink, it was exactly the right time.
I was ready. I was thinking, how can I pay back? And it was really the right forum for me to be, to be there and be part of this amazing, um, team of individuals that are really all behind one goal, one mission. Um, and, and that is to basically revive Lebanon. Bring back, bring Lum back on, its two feet. Um, and, and, you know, um, I think the healthcare angle is, is the best one because we do have amazing talent in healthcare.
Uh, you’re one of them najee. And, you know, by leveraging the amazing talent that we have, uh. Together. I think we can definitely help Lebanon a lot. Um, and it, and then, you know, it’s, uh, for me it’s, it’s creating this forum for us and, and I’m sure we all have that deep in our hearts. We want to give back.
And we didn’t know how, you know, we didn’t wanna do charity. We really wanted to do something where it’s more sustainable, where you give them the tools and then it grows. Um. No, I’m, I’m, you know, I’m very excited about Biolink. Love it.
Naji Gehchan: I, uh, I am too. And what better angle than healthcare and, and then connecting with incredible leaders like, like you and many others.
The last, uh, the last word is spread love in organizations.
Rania Abou Samra: First of all, I love the title. You know? Um, every time I tell someone, oh, there’s this podcast you have to hear, you have to listen to. It’s called Spread Love. The minute you say Spread Love, of course, afterwards they ask, what’s io? But the minute you say Spread love. There’s an instant smile because, you know, it, it creates a very, um, how do you call reaction, natural reaction to, um, the, this positive vibe.
You know what I mean? So, so I think, I think honestly, you’re, um, first of all, you nailed it with the title spot on, and second of all, I love the fact that you’re also focusing on healthcare with it. You know, um, because to be honest, this is our expertise. This is our domain. This is what we know, and you’re totally leveraging that, um, and your network to spread love.
Right. Um, and, and you know, I don’t need to tell you about how health is, is at the center of everything we do and also as humanity, you know what I mean? We’re not gonna get anywhere without help if we’re not healthy, right? So, um, so it also touches upon that, um. So, um, I, I, I love your podcast. I’m, I’m spreading the word
thanks, right.
Start seeing weird people connecting from Mena. That would be me, you know, telling everybody, you know, that you have to listen to this, you know, podcast. That’s amazing. So, yeah.
Naji Gehchan: Oh, thanks. Right. Any final word of wisdom for, uh, healthcare leaders around the world?
Rania Abou Samra: I think, um. I think to, you know, today, the healthcare, um, you know, when, when you say healthcare, um, a lot pharma comes to mind right away, right?
And, and, uh, you know, maybe it’s too idealistic and, uh, but, but I think at the end of the day, whoever works in healthcare should think about how can we advance humanity versus advance the stocks of the company. You know what I mean? Because, uh, because, because to be honest, there’s no use of us, um, creating solutions that a lot of people can’t afford to, you know, can’t afford, basically.
Period. And they can’t make use of, so why are we, why are we working on it as human beings? You know what I mean? Like, if we can’t have, give the, give them access to it, what’s the point? I get it. We wanna make money, but, but then why work in healthcare? Go go work in banking, go become a lawyer. Nothing against bankers and lawyers, but, but, you know, because, because I mean, I remember I went into nutrition, I went to health because I felt like I want to, you know, do better for the people, for the humans, people who study medicine, they have, you know, the, the oath, right?
People. So when you, the minute you’re in healthcare, you’re in the business of making people’s lives better. So are you really making people’s lives better? Are you making people’s pockets, some people’s pockets better? I know I’m sounding very on an evening on Tuesday sounding to your topic, but, um, basically that’s, that’s just my thought.
Naji Gehchan: Thanks for these thoughts and leaving us with this big question, how can we advance humanity and are we really making lives better? I, I love it As a question to keep in mind, thank you so much Rania again for being with me today. You’re welcome.
Rania Abou Samra: Thank you. I truly enjoyed it. Thanks, Naji.
Naji Gehchan: Thanks for listening to the show! For more episodes, make sure to subscribe to Spreadloveio.com or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Let’s inspire change together and make a positive impact in healthcare, one story at a time.
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